選擇權賣方無法活過20年?!

sec2100

in my 20 years as professional in markets have I not seen or heard of a single options seller who survived in the long term. I have heard of hundreds and been trading alongside dozens of frenchmen who consistently sold options outright, many of whom hedged the wings, others did not, many made money over long periods of time. But when the unavoidable black swan hit they all faltered, left or got fired and knocked on another door and got rehired. Same game all over.




https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/what-risk-management-mistake-did-optionsellers-com-fund-manager-do-to-blow-up-his-fund-and-clients.327102/#post-4761286

sec2100

I've seen this for 23 years and have followed these guys to see how long they could hold on. We're naked natural gas and crude oil without any problems and have never had an account blown up no matter what we traded through. They drifted from the most basic money management rules...it's that simple! Fear & Greed - they get you every time...

sec2100

原物料賣Call非常危險，因為原物料的事件往往會促發它飛漲，而非下跌。

但股價指數賣Call比較不會有正的事件風險。我說比較不會有，但2009年4月底就出現一次。

sec2100

sle出來說話了，確實有活的很好的賣方


Not my preferred strategy, but that's not really true. Institutional finance (especially sell-side) is not a good indicator since most of these guys would get their risk cut at the bottom of the drawdown and could never recover. There are several options sellers who've been around for years and years, like Max Ansbacher.

sec2100

The only risk management that you can apply here is conservative sizing. At the extreme, if you are selling puts that are cash-secured, you'd never blow up but your return on capital is not going to be stellar.

sec2100

Decades. For example, Max Ansbacher has been around for 40 years or something like that. He sells equity vol in various shapes and forms, mostly vanilla OTM puts. Used to veer into light exotics (like he used to sell WoPs when correlations where attractive) too. I think he buys back the wings, but I am not sure.

Couple people I know that sell vol for a living all size positions very conservatively, have a reasonably good model of when the wings are rich and try to cover the extreme scenarios, sometimes by proxy. Indeed, the ones that got greedy, blew up at one point or another.

sec2100

Risk management applies to naked calls as well! What you do is buy a higher strike OTM call in adverse cases like this. That way, you limit your losses. I say limit because you will still suffer huge losses but, not blow up your account. I lost thousands trying to sell calls but, I had the sense to protect myself. I did not blow up my account. Now, I just buy calls and puts where the worst case scenario is the lost of the total premiums paid and not a penny more! Upside is multiples of the premium if the trade works.

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Well, I have to say I did not know about the fund untill I've read the story, but when I did I wondered why those guys had investors at all.

I know only the basic fundamentals of the energy market, but I think everyone who once touched the petro complex knows one thing for sure: Natural Gas has the potential to blow your account up due to the fact that it is very thin and reacts violently to shifts in supply/demand which is primarily due to weather conditions and other random events..

I mean, how many funds can you all recall blowing up because of trading Natty?? Amaranth any1?
Everyone knows the NGHxx/NGJxx spread aka the "Widowmaker"...I don't know of any other product that's called fking widowmaker.

Now, I don't think anyone would be stupid enough to write naked calls on stuff like VXX, but in these products the option skew reflects the possibility of jumps.

But then there is a guy who thinks selling naked calls in NG during the most volatile period (winter incoming) with size is a good idea. And people give him money to do so.



So I don't think it was necessarily an emotional mistake and anyone who thinks that has obviously never traded so big that he could move the market.

You see a violent move against you and think "this looks ugly, I better lighten up"...but then you realise you have like 1000 contracts and the best offer is 20cars...you hit it, offers reapear 10% higher...for 10cars...and then 20% higher for 5cars.

Especially in options, once the market maker realises that someone needs to get out he squeezes you for the last penny. And this is not equity options where you have 10 Market makers in each name. Natty is probably quoted by 2-3 big firms and a few shops.

Please don't confuse this scenario with your little retail gambling nightmares where you were too drunk or too greedy to stick to your stop loss.

This blow up was like speeding with your 911 turbo that features every electronic assistant. As long as the car stays below a certain limit, even a monkey can drive it fast. If you push it too far, no electronic assistant can fight the laws of physics.


So as long as the market stays within a certain limit, you can gasconade about your "risk management" philosophies, your "quantitative risk management system", your Ph.D.'s, FUDOM, and your *fill in bloat word of choice*.

Once the market bites, you are just a leaf in a tornado aka. a moron(白痴) who traded the wrong market way too big at the wrong time.

sec2100

I've sold naked in the past, never really liked it. It Didn't even feel like "trading."

I could be wrong, but I feel like many traders fail, and then they discover selling naked, and it is their holy grail that they finally found. It works great and it feels good to make money so they continue.

What they fail to understand is selling SPX puts is simply just being long the SPX with leverage. This guy was selling calls on NG... he was simply short NG with leverage. In my opinion of course...

sec2100

Naked short gamma is for funds only.

The "trade" is like this:

You write deep OTM in anything that has premium.
You have a very steady return and that attracts the muppets aka. High Networth Individuals and accredited Investors.
You collect a couple of million and make a good living out of your management fees.
Since you win most of the time, the fund grows bigger and bigger and you make even more in management fees.
If you are lucky, you get away with it for a very long time.
If not, you blow up, fly under the radar for a couple of months and open up shop under a different name.


Things to avoid:
- avoid publicity like the plague. If people know your face from interviews, videos and TV, it's impossible to open a new fund once you've blown up.
- Save up a couple of M. You need time to get the machine going again once the lawyers have left.



Seriously, the naked short gamma game is around since the invention of options and a lot of big funds are doing this strategy. Due to the fact that so much money is attracted to the steady returns, you can make heaps of cash without really doing much.
Selling premium isn't that complicated and for the most part it's a waiting game so you can focus on raising money.
Doing this with your own account would be suicide but since you are cashing in on fees and leave the nuke risk to your investors, you are basically risk free.